Roundtable
The Roundtable - An Open Forum for Discussion
EDITOR
Dear Readers:
Many of you have asked for a forum on sikhchic.com for an open discussion on issues relating to Sikhi and those stemming from a Sikh world-view.
We have the pleasure, therefore, to launch a new feature - "The Roundtable - An Open Forum for Discussion".
The Rules of the forum are posted here on the right, and need to be followed strictly by all participants.
The following is our first topic for discussion, which should focus on the questions posed therein:
TWENTY-FIVE YEARS LATER
THE FACTS
Several thousand innocent Sikhs were killed in New Delhi and other major centres of India in 1984 - by mobs led by government figures, with complicity of the police and politicians.
25 years have gone by. To date, not a single architect of the pogroms has been charged or arrested, despite the fact that they've all been identified and there is overwhelming evidence against each of them.
The Prime Minister of India now is a Sikh and is widely acclaimed as not only the saviour of the country, but also the Father of Modern India.
QUESTIONS TO PONDER ON
Is it time for Sikhs to move on from 1984?
Is it wrong for sikhchic.com to cover stories and issues relating to 1984, to the extent it has this year, the 25th Anniversary of India's crimes of 1984?
How long should we press for Justice?
What will constitute Justice at this stage?
What can we do as individuals to achieve this Justice? As a community? As a community of communities scattered around the globe?
November 4, 2009
Conversation about this article
1: Gurpal Singh (Wolverhampton, United Kingdom), November 04, 2009, 3:44 PM.
It is absolutely right to feature the 1984 series; it has been extremely informative and the vast majority of readers have had the opportunity to reflect on facts until now unknown and personal experiences which are rarely covered by the media. We really ought to build our links with prominent members of the other communities (including Hindu), provide literature on the matter, and have such well-known individuals write letters to major newspapers and political parties expressing the need for truth and reconciliation.
2: Nimrit Kaur (Mississauga, Ontario, Canada), November 04, 2009, 4:18 PM.
Is it time for Sikhs to move on from 1984? Are you kidding me; does one move on when one's loved ones get murdered? Is it wrong for sikhchic.com to cover stories and issues relating to 1984, to the extent it has this year, the 25th Anniversary of India's crimes of 1984? Absolutely not; these articles have been very informative. We need to continue publishing them. How long should we press for Justice? Untill justice is served. The actual format of The Roundtable should be more or less like a forum where a particular topic can be discussed as a thead.
3: Inni Kaur (Fairfield, CT, U.S.A.), November 04, 2009, 8:38 PM.
To a certain extent Sikhs have moved on. One can call it survival or the spirit of chardhi kalaa. But we have not forgotten what happened to us in 1984 and we must never forget. Sikhchic.com provided a platform for our voices to be heard. How could that be wrong? We got to tell our stories in our own words. We mourned as a community with every story. It is important that we archive these stories for coming generations. Seeking justice from people without a conscience is like seeking justice from the dead. The Laws of the Universe have a way of taking care of such monstrous atrocities.
4: Navjeet Singh (Shrewsbury, MA, U.S.A.), November 04, 2009, 10:36 PM.
It is important to remember the events of 1984. It is important to scratch the memories and the scabs. How can we forget the neighbuors and so called friends who betrayed us. Perhaps best is the example that the Ardaas gives. In the ardaas we remember those who have sacrificed their heads, their lives in order to be Sikhs. We cannot forget! We must not forget! To that extent, we must document the stories and we must document the feelings. So that our children know. So that their children know. So that others may know who know no Sikhs. It is important to have a forum where it is safe to remember with sadness and with anger and outrage. It is important to seek justice. It is important to take the steps to seek justice. Time and again, we have seen the justice system fail us. However, we have to beware to not wallow in self-pity. It is also important that that we do not have the tunnel vision that we do fail to see the injustice in the world around us. One of the best ways to seek justice is to seek justice for others that need our support. Also, in the spirit of chardi kalaa, we have to strengthen ourselves. In the spirit of charhdi kalaa we may have to move on. We have to move on so we may devote ourselves to a life that helps to seek justice for all, not just Sikhs. We have to move on so we may strengthen ourselves, so that we may build a community that is stronger and institutions that are enduring. We have to build the positive energy to overcome and even harness the different perspectives in the community. We still have a lot of work to do to build the community on the basis of the lessons of 1984. Which are perhaps not too different from the lessons of 1947. Or the lessons of the Gurdwara Reform Movement of the early 20th century. Or the lessons of the 19th century when the Sikh kingdom dissipated away. So we need to talk and discuss. We need the fora so that we can relate to each other and support each other. And we need to develop the skills to manage, negotiate and harness our different perspectives and energies to build.
5: Harinder Singh (Bangalore, India), November 05, 2009, 5:24 AM.
Compassion - Forgiveness is Divine. "Where there is wisdom, there is righteousness. // Where there is falsehood, there is sin. // Where there is greed, there is death. //Where there is forgiveness (compassion), God Himself is there." (GGS:1372)
6: Sandeep Singh Brar (Toronto, Ontario, Canada), November 05, 2009, 9:53 AM.
I don't think there is ever a moral or legal statute of limitations in seeking justice against such crimes. Look at the Jews, have they "forgotten and moved on" from seeking justice for the Nazi Holocaust? Have the Armenians forgotten their massacure at the hands of the Turkish government a century ago? Should the Palestinians living in ghetto camps forget the forced expulsion from their lands and homes? Have the free Chinese forgotten the Tiananmen Square massacre? Have free Tibetens forgotten the loss of their country half-a-centry ago? Should the Rawandan Tutsis forget the horrors of 1994? The list goes on and on, so why should Sikhs be asked or expected to "forget and move on"? Of course, there are some Sikhs who are busy chasing the economic 'miracle' of India's growth, they would like nothing more than to "forget and move on", for them economics takes precedence over human rights. Overall Sikhs as a whole have remembered their history, look at the lines in daily Ardaas which recalls atrocities committed hundreds of years ago. The day when we stop repeating those lines in the Ardaas, or the day when we simply "forget and move on", giving up on seeking justice from the decade long horrors started in 1984, is the day that we loose our spirit as a people. Hopefully such a day will never come.
7: Gurpreet Singh (New Delhi, India), November 05, 2009, 10:10 AM.
I think it is absolutely imperative, and of course justified, for sikhchic.com to feature stories on the 1984 massacre. Yes, it is a painful memory which opens old wounds but it is part of our history which must be remembered and retold to our next generations. Even more important is to understand the causes that led to Sikhs getting in such a state. Alas, unfortunately not many Sikhs understand the political and social scenario that prevailed at that time. Even those who do know and understand have scarce courage to admit the follies and take corrective measures. It is a shame that Sikhs, who are supposed to be constant learners have learnt nothing from their difficult past and have again put the control strings of their life into the hands of corrupt and unscrupulous politicians. We talk about injustices being done to us but what about the injustice being done to another minority community - Muslims? We all know what happened in Gujarat. Why then is the Shiromani Akali Dal, which claims to be the flagbearer of Sikh interests, allying with the BJP? Isn't it a tacit approval and endorsement of the divisive politics of religious fundamentalism that thrives on the blood of innocent commoners? Guru Teg Bahadar advocated a society where people from diverse beliefs, castes, creeds, culture and religious faths could live together in harnony. Are parties like the Shiromani Akali Dal really following the spirit of "Ek Bagicha Ped Ghan Kareya" (One garden full of a diverse variety of trees and plants)? If not, then why does nobody in the Sikh community have the courage, conscience or even the consciousness, to point it out and challenge it? I am a journalist with a Delhi-based news-channel and had the opportunity to cover events in Punjab following the Dera Sachha Sauda controversy. What made me shudder with shock and pain was the fact that the followers of various sects (deras)were treating each other with such contempt and hatred. So much so that some people didn't even spare the 'Singh Sahibaans' who had come over to preside over the 'Sarbat Khalsa Diwan'. Some even threw kirpans at the 'Singh Sahibaans' sitting at the Akaal Takht Sahib. On another note, Siks who live in New Delhi know well about Paramjeet Singh Sarna's affiliation with the same Congress which was responsible for butchering 3000 Sikhs in the capital. Why then has nobody raised a finger at him and he continues to be the overseer of Sikh interests in the capital region. Another of his achievements have been to discontinue the 'donna'(container made of leaves in which prashad is served) and replace it with thermocol bowls. We all know that leaves decompose and turn as manure in the soil while the plastic-based thermocol is a major cause of pollution. Then, what is the motivation behind this step? Did any of us had the courage or conscience of asking the logic behind this senseless step? Is there any logic to this or is this being done to make the thermocol business of some member flourish? The pertinent question here is, if we can't look inwards and check the follies that have crept into our community, will it really matter if the 1984 is actually highlighted or not. I'm not saying that it should not be highlighted or remembered, but my assertion is that there are also many other pressing issues at hand that need urgent attention. So much so that if we don't act immediately, it will severely impact on our future.
8: Natalee Singh (Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada), November 05, 2009, 12:21 PM.
Perhaps the question of 'forgetting and moving on' should be asked of Gurmeet Kaur who lost 11 family members during the Nov 1984 pogroms or those mothers in Punjab still hoping to claim the dead bodies of their 'disappeared' sons! Who are we to make that decision? The decision lies with those impacted by the genocide and from what I understand they still want to 'fight' for justice. Our role then becomes one of standing by them, ensuring they receive justice and are rehabilitated ... only then can we truly feel that we have moved on! What astonishes me is that once again as a community we are 'divided' ... why is this question even an issue? Doesn't everyone with a modicum of conscience, compassion and intelligence understand that unless the issue of truth, justice and rehabilitation is dealt with, the wounds will only be swept under the carpet to fester and re-emerge again ... that there is still danger that this could happen again?
9: Chintan Singh (San Jose, California, U.S.A.), November 05, 2009, 12:21 PM.
Sikhs can never move from the memories of 1984. They not only hurt and hound those who were immediately affected, but also those who saw the events of 1984 from a distance, like the diaspora community. It is not at all wrong for sikhchic.com to publish stories related to 1984. In fact, sikhchic.com has done yeoman service to the community and the world by creating this repository for stories, otherwise these would have been lost just like the partition stories have been lost to a large extent. If you compare the submissions for '1984 & I' and 'Partition & I', you'll see what I am talking about. sikhchic.com is the only forum for these stories to come out and get told to the world. Expression in the form of writing is also a form of healing. You have provided a healing mechanism to those who are hurt and carry hurting memories with them. We should press for justice as long as it takes to get it. They can do their job of denying justice and we have to do what we must do. We must provide help and support to fighters like the lawyer Phoolka and journalist Jarnail Singh who are doing the seva of fighting for justice on behalf of the whole community. We must encourage books, exhibits, movies and other literature about 84. We can continue to seek justice from the Indian Goverment by distributing literature and publishing these articles and yes, someday, as India discovers the true nature of democracy, we might see justice and a genuine apology from the Indian judiciary, parliament and police. However, how are we going to face the victims and their children? A one time monetary compensation provided by the Indian Government will never be enough to provide them livelihood and a respectable life. We, the Sikh community (in India and the diaspora) need to do that on our own by instituting a comprehensive and longterm project to resettle the victims and their children. On this '1984 & I' series itself, we have seen articles that describe the plight of widows and children of those who were killed in the 1984 pogroms. Isn't it emabarassing that a rich community like ours cannot create a few factories/ industries to provide lifelong jobs to these families and proper housing, mental health programs and schools, colleges, etc. First, let us all rise to the occasion and contribute funding towards resettling them and then demand for justice from the Indian Government. Let these victims never feel that with their husbands, sons, brothers killed, they are now alone. Rather, they should feel that they belong to a community that Guru Gobind Singh created, which always helps those in need. Moreover, these are our brothers and sisters. We could have been in their place. We are quick to compare our persecutions with the Jews but do we contribute and unite together to help each other the way they do? With resources available to the SGPC, DGPC and the successful Sikh-owned businesses like Ranbaxy, Max, etc, why is it difficult to provide the victims with jobs, education, housing etc.?
10: Gurmeet Kaur (Atlanta, Georgia, U.S.A.), November 05, 2009, 12:56 PM.
Is it time for Sikhs to move on from 1984? Wrong question. Rather, it is time to get started in our quest to let 1984 never be forgotten. We have now barely healed and stood up on our two feet after the large scale genocide and years of intimidation and manipulation. We have survived. We are stronger, more educated, aware, connected and organized over 1984. It is time to write our own history - fully and accurately - let the facts be known to our community and the world, for the facts point to a very important thing: "The Intention". Moving on from 1984 means forgetting that "Intention". 1984 is a question, a challenge: "How long can you stand tall?" "Forever!" is our answer. The answer has to be given. If the question is erased, the answer shall be forgotten as well. Is it wrong for sikhchic.com to cover stories and issues relating to 1984, to the extent it has this year, the 25th Anniversary of India's crimes of 1984? It is wrong for sikhchic.com to even consider this question. What you have done is barely scratch the surface. Much work has to be done. Until and unless each survivor's, witness' and perpetrator's story is not documented, you should not consider your work done. This is the only platform I have found that has started this work. I wish for every reader to consider documenting their stories and of the ones known to them. These stories will become the history someday. If we don't write the truth, the perpetrators will deny 1984. They are already asking us to forget. How long should we press for Justice? We haven't even started defining what "Justice" means in this case. Remember, 1984 was not only about November but June and the years of disappearances, rapes and tortures following and preceding the main events. Let's press for documenting the crimes right now before the victims and survivors die off. Press for taking care of the survivors. Press for Remembering. Organize memorials, document stories, record interviews, save artifacts, challenge the next generation to be stronger. What will constitute Justice at this stage? Justice as defined by the Indian law can never be achieved in this case because of a simple fact. The criminal and the upholder of the law are the same people; where shall the victim go? To get Justice in the material way, we have to think big - International courts, civil lawsuits against Indian corporations and Government holdings abroad, etc. We have to bring such awareness to the global leadership that India will be held accountable from now on and think twice before it treats its minorities whichever way the majority pleases. What can we do to achieve Jutice? For a Sikh "Resilience is Justice". When the wounded Sikh can heal, stand tall and say to the perpetrator that your intentions did not bear fruit, justice will be served for the one who could not stand and laid his life. For the only thing that really matters to a Sikh is Sikhi. 1984 was a blow to our community. And when we can emerge stronger, taller and more resilient, it will the serving of true justice. We are the only ones who can bring it about.
11: Gurjender Singh (Maryland, U.S.A.), November 05, 2009, 1:03 PM.
First of all I would like to congratulate and appreciate sikhchic.com and its management for publishing this year more than 50 articles of the real happenings of the 1984 Sikh holocaust/ genocide, which never showed up in the media due to news block or due no free media being available at that time. On the 25th anniversary, every day I read the news that Sikhs and Sikh Leadership want justice from the Indian Govt. Yet, none of the articles talk about how to rehabilitate the families of both civilian and army Sikhs who lost their husbands and sons during 1984. The Govt. has provided the most minimum financial help to women who were widowed during the pogroms. Their houses and small business were also burned. These women were not left with the means of livelihood. On the 25th anniversary, most of the Sikh organizations asked for school closings, traffic stoppages,Punjab and Delhi bandh, etc. Surprisingly, when I read some of the news on sikhchic.com - "Where Have All The Men Gone", e.g. - and in the Indian newspaper, I came across the story of two women who lost 11 members of their family. Similar stories abound. This becomes a burden to the Sikh community to help them at least financially, and has been neglected for the past 25 years. I am not saying that there has been no help at all. Some organizations did help initially. Every one knows how much money is needed to raise a family. If every Sikh family around the world put aside a little money for these causes, the victims' families can live a better life and will appreciate the meaning of being Sikhs. I remember a few years ago, the late Patwant Singh said that Sikhs have so much money that if they want they can uplift the 1984 families in no time.
12: Virinder Singh (United Kingdom), November 05, 2009, 3:04 PM.
Fools forget. The wise learn and never forget.
13: Natalee Singh (Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada), November 05, 2009, 9:29 PM.
For those interested in helping Sardar H. S. Phoolka, he has a charitable trust dedicated to helping those impacted by 1984 in Delhi as well as providing satellite education to Sikh youth in villages across Punjab since good educational facilities are lacking. It is called "GYAN SEWA TRUST". Also, you can contribute to ENSAAF who are actively working on the cases of the disappeared in Punjab between 1984-1995. It is now time to stop talking and start helping ... for the love of God, people, please stop waiting for others to do something and begin doing something yourself ... NOW!
14: Amardeep Kaur (Sydney, Australia), November 06, 2009, 3:12 AM.
As a Sikh youth who was born in Punjab following 1984, and has largely grown up outside of Punjab, I am ashamed to say that I had no idea what 1984 entailed. This is despite having friends whose lives were directly affected by the atrocities of the time. Yes, I knew that Harmandar Sahib was attacked, that Indira Gandhi was assassinated, that many people were tortured and killed. Yet, I had never had the desire to seek out why these things happened, how they happened, and what the outcome has been. If the next generation does not comprehend and interact with our past, then where is our future going? sikhchic.com has definitely helped to arouse the interest of at least one Sikh youth somewhere in the world ... and this in itself suggests that it is doing something worthwhile.
15: Gehna Kaur Singh (Toronto, Ontario, Canada), November 06, 2009, 3:47 PM.
Does 'moving on' need to be about 'forgetting' history, stories, crimes committed, etc. To me, the two are quite seperate. Isn't it easier to bend into bitterness and harder yet to embrace your collective story - regardless of how it may have unfolded - and move your community forward? I do say this with the utmost of respect for those lives affected and lost during the days of 1984. So, on this 25th anniversay, to mark it well, why not look at how you, the individual, and we the collective, can define ourselves by more than that ... by who we become and what we achieve from this point. I believe that's 'moving on' ... perhaps even more powerful than traditional and short-term 'justice.'
16: Amitoj (U.S.A.), November 07, 2009, 12:47 AM.
Is it wrong for sikhchic.com to cover stories and issues relating to 1984, to the extent it has this year, the 25th Anniversary of India's crimes of 1984? - Of course not. It is right and I thank sikhchiccom for doing so. They did it with respect and did it for many others who could not do it themselves. What can we do as individuals to achieve this Justice? As a community? As a community of communities scattered around the globe? - We can educate ourselves and then educate those around us about the Sikh philosophy and beliefs, more importantly about the turban and unsorn hair, as those are the most visible markers that confuse non-Sikhs. We can learn from the past and secure a better future. We can produce quality literature, make films, speak about or create art on this issue. These media are much more effective in communicating with the world.
17: Dr. Birinder Singh Ahluwalia (Toronto, Ontario, Canada), November 07, 2009, 7:02 AM.
I agree with Gehna Kaur to some extent. I think all of us have moved on, one way or the other - what is lingering/longing is "closure" and this can only be achieved by bringing the perpetrators of these crimes to justice - such call for justice is not only a Sikh related issue but is a pillar/ foundation of any successful and well respected democracy. When justice is served, the country as a whole benefits from it - people from all religious backgrounds then feel safe and enjoy living with dignity, liberty and freedom.
18: Dr. Karnail Singh (Wirral, Merseyside, U.K.), November 07, 2009, 12:52 PM.
I confess I'm not a theologian or a politician but my gut instinct and limited knowledge of Sikhism suggests that one of the pillars of our teachings is the need to seek justice no matter where it is needed. Am I not right in thinking that the Gurus set an example, and those others who followed them, by laying down their lives and those of their loved ones in pursuit of justice? I for one am very gratefully and indebted to sikhchic.com for keeping me informed on issues relating to Sikhism and especially on the subject of 1984, which history will record as another major incident involving the Sikh community. In my opinion, sikhchic.com cannot be judged to cover this subject matter too extensively! So the introduction of 'The Round Tableâ to discuss important issues relating to our community or to the world in general for that matter, is to be applauded. CONGRATULATIONS! I do think IT IS TIME TO MOVE ON - it is NOT time to forget what happened in 1984 and be "pragmatic", but to push on even more vigorously in the pursuit of justice, no matter how long it takes. It is unacceptable and shameful that after 25 years, the perpetrators of these crimes have not been brought to book - thereby allowing them and others like them to repeat such atrocities in the future. Having read some of the comments above, I have great hope that the Sikh community, with God's blessing, will in the end find the appropriate answer.
19: Natalee Singh (Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada), November 07, 2009, 12:57 PM.
For all those have been misled into believing the propaganda that the people in Punjab have 'moved' on regarding these events, and this only remains an issue for the diaspora ... please be advised that on November 3, the call for Punjab 'bandh' by Sikh activist groups led to a complete (non-violent) shutdown of Punjab as the people of Punjab made their voices heard over the Nov 1984 pogroms. The People, as the saying goes, have spoken!
20: Mai Harinder Kaur (Seattle, U.S.A.), November 07, 2009, 5:16 PM.
I'm not sure what "move on" entails. I am a survivor. That is a part of me like being a woman or being short is part of me. Like those, I don't sit and think about it all the time, but it's always there. We Sikhs do not forget our martyrs. 1984 will be remembered and commemorated as long as there is ife. I think the bigger question is, "What have we learned? What have we taken away from this experience? What will be the legacy of 1984?" It's too early to fully answer these questions, but I hope we will be able to say, "We faced the worst that could happen to us and we emerged as even stronger Sikhs, with a deeper understanding of what being a Sikh means. It took a while, but in time we recovered our chardi kalaa and now we are stronger, braver, more determined than ever." That would be a lovely way to honour our shaheeds. That is my hope. Let us now remember not only our dead, but also the living who need our help. Some need material help. Please help them, giving with dignity, realizing that this sewa is a privilege, not just an obligation. All can appreciate a kind word and a bit of compassion and understanding. No pity, though! We are still Sikhs, we hold our heads up as daughters and sons of the House of Nanak, many of us daughters and sons of Guru Gobind Singh. Recovery is individual and private, even secret. What is in my heart is in my heart and no one else's. My pain is mine and no one else's. I have learned to live with it. No one "gets over" such an experience. You simply have to learn to live with it. Or not.
21: Gurjender Singh (Maryland, U.S.A.), November 08, 2009, 8:21 AM.
For not forgetting 1984, Sikh leadership of Delhi, Punjab and across the diapora should set up a memorial for those Sikhs who were killed at the hands of the mob, under the watch of political leaders and police men. This will always remain in history. This may be just like U.S.A. is setting up various memorials in memory of the victims of the 9/11 attack.
22: Amardeep Kaur (Seattle, U.S.A), November 08, 2009, 12:20 PM.
It's not about 1984,/ It is about four,/ My father, husband, brother and son,/ Who lost their lives and/ Criminals claim to have won./ It is not about me,/ It is about them./ On the day I will finally meet them,/ They will ask me,/ Whether I fought,/ Whether for justice, I fought?/ Fought for humanity,/ And for others too, to help them find their sanity?/ Most importantly my Guru will ask me,/ Whether he can trust me?/ Trust me with simple task of living life./ For surely he gave me tools,/ He gave me teachings so that I would not act like a fool./ His advice for me and them,/ Is to live life bigger and purer then its part and sum./
23: Manraj Singh (Ottawa, Canada), November 09, 2009, 11:26 AM.
Is it time for Sikhs to move on from 1984? No. Never Forget 1984. Is it wrong for sikhchic.com to cover stories and issues relating to 1984, to the extent it has this year, the 25th Anniversary of India's crimes of 1984? No. The more quality and informative coverage, the better. How long should we press for Justice? Until we fully and rightfully receive it. What will constitute Justice at this stage? Put the alleged criminals on trial and convict them if found guilty. Give them the highest possible form of punishment allowed by law: The Capital Punishment. What can we do as individuals to achieve this Justice? As a community? As a community of communities scattered around the globe? Write to your MP and other government and elected professionals. Expose the Indian government and their morally corrupt and bankrupt democracy to the world as much as possible.
24: Sanmeet Kaur (Brampton, Ontario, Canada), November 09, 2009, 4:41 PM.
To experience a sense of justice, an apology is a necessary pre-requisite. However, after waiting 25 years, we had better not waste any more time or energy. 1984 has passed and left in its wake thousands of dismembered bodies, minds, hearts and souls and lives. Many of us have already taken up the task of rebuilding and healing; the rest must join in now. This moving forward is not about forgetting. Yes, the stories featured on sikhchic.com hurt and reading them is exhausting. However, I find strength in connecting with people who have been hurt and have survived. I do not wish the stories to stop, I wish the pain would. For me, moving forward is justice in action, lives rebuilt, even the effort to do so, the strength to face each day. The awareness and yet the desire to live in Chardi Kalaa, the fact that our collective spirit thrives in spite of all the mutilation, that God has graced us with this much and continues to do so is justice. There is much to be done, still. A Japji or Sukhmani Sahib or just the Mool Mantra a month, a week, a day, 15 minutes in a day, five bucks in any currency. Sometimes it's as simple as forwarding someone the correct phone number. Each little step is a little more than we started with. You choose your path. Whether it's 1984 or the Partition of 1947, wounds are waiting to be filled and each day we remember and acknowledge them in Ardaas, even as we ask for Sarbat da Bhalla.
25: J.B. (http://www.johnbuchananlaw.com), January 09, 2010, 2:10 AM.
Thanks for the platform.